America is regarded as the eye of the world, and thus one of the greatest nations… by the people within it. However, while it might seem egotistical, the people of the land of the free take their love of it to the next step, in order to become the greatest superpower. There are few that match the true patriotic beliefs of the 'States, but those that wish to bring ultimate power become the most recognizable.. for better or for worse. In the regards of politics, two dominant leaders stand out upon the backdrop of parties; These two being the 23rd President Funny Valentine and Senator Steven Armstrong. Between these two iconic American “heroes”, who would win in a political debate? How about who would win an all-out fight of beliefs? Or... most importantly, who would in an actual fight? Let's find out who would win in a DEATH BATTLE!
Background
Senator Armstrong
Funny Valentine
Skill and Experience
Senator Armstrong
With extensive time in the Navy and military training, Armstrong is nothing short than a patriotic soldier with tons of experience. Having taken a few tours in his time and being a pro football player, both of which gave him extensive means of knowing how to fight, he further advanced his body with nanomachines which he's mastered the usage of with combat techniques. Even with the Metal Gear EXCELSUS, a Metal Gear he handled on his own with controllers, he was able to fight with Raiden in combat with it as well as later fight Raiden on his own accord with just his fisticuffs. He's a force that shouldn't be reckoned with, especially not with such a strong quarterback player.
Funny Valentine
Equipment
Senator Armstrong
Cigars
Metal Gear EXCELSUS
A Metal Gear that appears in Senator Armstrong’s boss fight, which he uses to fight Raiden. While not notable in regards to its immense power, Armstrong still has more than enough skill to use it to keep up with a skilled swordfighter and martial artist like Raiden. It has, for example, arm-blades that can extend forward to strike, which can move both vertically and sideways for tricky patterns to avoid. It can also use its legs to strike, it can summon other Metal Gears, it can use mounted railguns, and it’s defensive to such a point that no matter the damage it takes, the driver will be completely safe.
Funny Valentine
Handgun
Valentine has access to a handgun on-hand at all times, which he’s shown impressive skill in, being able to shoot at and keep up with Johnny Joestar who uses literal fingers guns in combat via Spin, although he does lose in the end because he’s not as good. Ultimately, the handgun Valentine wields is the same one responsible for allowing Johnny to kill him. Bozo.
American Flag
Valentine typically wields an American flag. While he doesn’t use this all the time, he used it originally against Diego Brando as a way to deceive him and hide away due to his Stand ability. He doesn’t actively need to use the flag since realistically anything he can enter is a suitable means of travel, and he can even use it on other people, but it's useful to carry around if needs be.
The Corpse Parts
After Valentine merged with the Corpse Heart, he made it his goal to find the rest of the Saint’s Corpse (or also known as the Corpse Parts, for each individual part). The Saint’s Corpse is the deceased body of Jesus Christ, who can interact with people, also allowing them to resist corruption, and warps space itself to unite with other limbs. The Corpse Parts act as the pinpoint for where Valentine will form all of his clones of himself. and thus it is likely Valentine cannot travel with the corpse between dimensions without harming his versatility of his ability, limiting the usage to one singular reality for the most accuracy. Additionally, the Corpse Parts can be used with Lucy Steel and her Ticket to Ride in order to create D4C's Love Train, a powerful ability that centralizes around her but can be wielded by Valentine as a means of ultimate defense.
Cream Starter
The Stand used by Hot Pants, Cream Starter is a spray-can which can apply a fleshy substance to others that it will merge with the skin of, as well as being able to manipulate and suck in flesh it has interacted with in order to refill itself. Valentine stole this off of an alternate-self Hot Pants.
Abilities
Senator Armstrong
Nanomachines
Funny Valentine
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap (D4C)
Unlocked by fusing his body with the Corpse's Heart at Devil's Palm, Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap (Alternatively, D4C or Filthy Acts at an Unreasonable Price) is his powerful short-range Stand, the manifestation of his energy taken a form only seen on a metaphysical level by other Stand users. With the ability to open into nearby dimensions with the Stand, he is able to move between dimensions and back into his own. Guided by the Corpse Parts, he can move between dimensions by pushing himself through an object into another universe and can travel through various means, even including people. When enclosed in an object, he can travel anywhere but he cannot instantly reappear somewhere else, requiring him to instantly disappear or camp elsewhere. Valentine can do this to other people, although he needs to do it himself, He is able to trap others half-way inside of this one-way travel system so that they are forced to work in elaborate fashion, and can similarly do this freely. By removing the travelled object's gateway when half-way through, the Sponger effect will activate which can affect Valentine.
D4C's ability is additionally able to be used as a way to protect Valentine, whether by bringing in a new version of himself that lacks wounds he would have taken if he uses his ability amidst combat, stacking physical selves upon himself to survive blows that could be seen as lethal, or being able to completely avoid death by transferring his memories before he dies into a new version of himself. However, the two caveats that come to this ability is that D4C cannot protect Valentine from instant death, and it cannot protect Valentine from an attack that permeates across his versions. Additionally, across all of the universes, there is only ONE D4C, meaning that versions he summons have to physically fight and only one Valentine is able to wield the abilities of the Stand.
Laws of This Universe
Due to how the world in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure works, the many-worlds theory has simply been proven to exist. Through this, it is well-known to Valentine of the endless amounts of universes, and thus, what would happen should interdimensional matter merge with each-other. This effect, generally known as the Sponge or Merging Effect, is not an inherent ability of Valentine's, rather one his stand distinctly follows to function. It enacts itself when two of the same being from different universes would merge with each other. Due to Valentine's inherent means of resisting this through his Stand ability, this makes Valentine intangible to himself in other universes which he can stack enough versions of himself to take damage freely however he can still take damage should he not replace himself.
Corpse Blessings
As mentioned before, the power of the Corpse Parts extends beyond just the fact that they are the Saint's body. Through sheer power, it can create blessings to people as well as merge it's body with those it interacts with, both healing wounds created by itself, unlocking their Stand ability (displayed in multiple instances), as well as reversing physical disease and mutations from abilities such as Diego's Scary Monsters. When they fuse altogether with one host, they both create immense power with the creation of storms and changing the land, as well as one final development; D4C's Love Train.
Love Train
Support
Senator Armstrong
Winds of Destruction and Desperado LLC
- Minuano: A cyborg mercenary working with Desperado as a hired mercenary alternatively known as Jetstream Sam, named after the cool Bazillion winds. He is an honorable swordsman ultimately desiring war to strengthen his combat and feel the pride of battle. Treated as Raiden's ultimate contrast in the story, he is one of the first bosses met and the last member of the Winds of Destruction. He wields a HF-Blade known as the Murasama, a legendary blade forged down from his family upgraded with the HF specs of a modern katana.
- Sundowner: A cyborg warmonger working with Desperado wielding the control of Desperado LLC, and a member of the Winds of Destruction, implied as one of the first, with his name being based off of the weather conditions in Southern California. He is a blood-thirsty combatant that wishes for nothing but to experience war, bringing ultimate riches with the immense conflict brought by it. Similar to Raiden, he is another contrast to his backstory, fitting the role of Solidus Snake with his usage of child soldiers. He dual-wields unique scissor HF-blades known as Bloodlust which can merge into a pair of shears as a weapon. Sundowner also wields pressure-sensitive shields that explode upon contact, granting him a prioritized defense.
- Mistral: A female cyborg mercenary that works with Desperado in the Winds of Destruction, named after the cool winds that flow through the Alps to the Mediterranean. She was a sadistic killer known for her brutality after taking hundreds of lives, however hated the dull feeling when fighting without a purpose. She was pulled into fight for Armstrong, as he gave her an ideal to fight for and pursue with his ideology. She wields a spear created by the arms of her Gekko units known as L'Étranger, roughly translated to the Stranger. She is also capable of attaching several arms to herself of the same variety.
- Monsoon: A cyborg ninja that works with Desperado in the Winds of Destruction, named after the seasonal wind systems that happen in West Africa and Asia-Australia. His beliefs came down to how humans followed a methodological way of life, all of which came down to death, murder, and misery. Due to his self-taught background, he is the most unique in skillsets compared to the rest of the Winds of Destruction, with his background of criminal work leading to him being supported by Desperado. He dual-wields two sais known as Dystopia, and has the specialized ability to be able to split his body apart with electromagnetic manipulation.
- Khamsin: A former marine who works under Desperado named after the desert winds of the Middle East, who attempts to kill Blade-Wolf in his story mode DLC. He is one of Mistral's soldiers, wielding a large battle mech and a high-frequency chainsaw battle-axe, of which was too large for his mech to lift at times.
- Desperado military:
- Cyborg soldiers: Soldiers under Desperado's military control. Generally, they wielded High-Frequency blade, and had various means of deployment. Certain soldiers had also seen the usage of sledgehammers, shields, or roles in piloting helicopters.
- Customs: Standard Cyborg soldiers who wielded abnormally large High Frequency blades.
- Strykers: Unmanned military units intended to work as infantry in wars. They were highly powerful and armored tanks of humanoids, of which wielded custom Mk. 19 grenade launchers.
- Gekko units: Unmanned bipedal mechs that mirrored Metal Gears with recycled parts. However, they were used as infantry in wars as a result of their versatility and power.
- Dwarf Gekko units: Three-armed unmanned units that were used as means of infiltration and were often wielded in groups. Most commonly seen by the Patriots of the past or by Mistral in combat.
- Vodomerka units: Water-based units that glide across liquids, meant to guard areas with their firepower without getting into direct wartime confrontations.
- Raptor units: Bipedal units similar to the Gekko units and the LQ-84i, also known as Blade Wolf. They wielded similar weaponry to the aforementioned units, but held Dwarf Gekko programming which made them easier to control, albeit less complex than the rivalling infantry.
Funny Valentine
Valentine's Subordinates
- Oyecomova: A terrorist from the Kingdom of Naples who was responsible for killing people in his old kingdom through his addiction to explosives. However, he ran away into the United States, finding service in Funny Valentine who as a result would later run into the Devil's Palm. By doing so, Oyecomova found his stand and mastered it in less than three days, using it to combat against Gyro. He wields the Stand known as Boku no Rhythm wo Kiitekure.
- Pork Pie Hat Kid: A kid with an unknown background, wielding the Stand Wired. It allows him to create fishhooks remotely which he can create, as well as one down his throat.
- Dr. Ferdinand: A renowned geologist and paleontologist, with a great respect toiwards the land and what it stands for. Ultimately, his favorite thing about the Earth is the dinosaurs that ruled the Earth, which displays perfectly in his Stand, Scary Monsters. This Stand allows him to turn himself and others into Dinosaurs which is later taken by Diego Brando.
- Ringo Roadagain: A tragic man who believes in the ultimate 'world of man', wielding both the Stand and ideology of Mandom. This ability allows him to rewind time six seconds in the past, which he can use in combat to predict attacks and deal with fights.
- Blackmore: A similarly tragic but nonetheless submissive assassin who believes in everything about Funny Valentine. As a result, he is Valentine's strongest subordinate in sole belief, and sees him as the most willing to get the Corpse Parts. He wields the Stand Catch the Rainbow, which allows him to turn into and manipulate all rain in the area.
- Eleven Men: Eleven men with the same Stand known as Tatoo You!, allowing each man to merge with one another and use their bodies as a means to teleport. They have a distinct lack of info but nonetheless wield a threatening aura and power.
- Mike O.: President Valentine's bodyguard, an intelligent strategist and no-nonsense agent of Funny. He wields the Stand Tubular Bells, a complicated Stand where he can blow rubber balloons made out of steel, typically in the shape of nails, but can be used for other means of versatility such as creating literal dogs to track targets and their smell or cut off limbs entirely by blowing balloons inside of their body.
- Wekapiko: A former royal guard who lost his sister as he joined Valentine's service later in life. For this purpose, he became loyal to the president, yet was nothing short but honorable to himself and the people he knew. He wields special Steel Balls known as Wrecking Balls, wielded by the Imperial guards that serve the Royal Family.
- Magent Magent: An unprofessional goofball who works alongside Wekapiko who wields the Stand which offers the Ultimate Defense, also known as 20th Century BOY. This ability makes him invulnerable to harm in any way if he sits in a specific position, with the implication that it could even make him immortal in the right circumstances.
- Axl RO: A former veteran acting as an agent to President Valentine with a tragic past. He wields the stand Civil War, which can manifest guilt as physical attacks and ghostly representations of it. It can also make Axl RO permanent if the opponent felt guilt or remorse for killing them, albeit holding certain caveats to what is regarded as guilt.
- D-I-S-C-O: A man with a completely unknown background or personality. He wields the stand Chocolate Disco, where he can create his own personal domain as a grid system in front of him. In this system he holds complete control. That's all I'm going to say. I'm done.
- Sandman/Soundman: A Native American who works under Valentine who joins the Steel Ball Run race. He wins first place, before later down the line attacking Gyro and Johnny, revealed as working under Valentine. While having both the special ability to tell oncoming weather patterns and a specialized means of running that allows him to push himself to his physical limit, he is also a Stand user. Wielding the Stand In a Silent Way, Sandman can manipulate both sound and sand, although primarily the latter.
- Diego Brando: A tragic man with an immense talent of horses. After being infected with the Scary Monsters' ability, turning him into a dinosaur, he would later wield the Holy Corpse's left eye which had allowed him to take control of the stand after Dr. Ferdinand died. As mentioned before, he has the greatest talent for horses in both observation and riding, making him the strongest racer in the Steel Ball Run. Diego reluctantly teams up with Valentine before working with Hot Pants and fighting against him (and dying), however...
- Alternate World Diego Brando: Valentine drags an alternate version of Diego Brando to help him gain the Corpse Parts, of whom appears after Valentine's death. He attempts to get the Holy Corpse and absolutely dominates Johnny in their fight, even after unlocking Tusk's final act. However, he ultimately dies at the hands of Lucy Steel, who uses this universe's Diego Brando and his severed head to kill him with the exploitation of the Sponge effect.
Feats
Senator Armstrong
Overall
- Could have gone pro in football if he hadn't joined the Navy.
- Despite constant protests of him as a warmonger and various negative points of his actions being brought up, he excels as a politician.
- Fought Raiden and the Winds of Destruction.
- Was going to assassinate the president had Raiden not killed Sam and Sundowner.
- One of the few people willing to and nearly succeeded in fixing America's recession after the fall of the Patriots
- Able to snap Raiden's High-Frequency blade.
Strength
- Metal Gear EXCELSUS can shatter the ground around it by coming out (of the closet)
- When absorbing the energy of EXCESLUS, Armstrong was described as being vastly stronger than Raiden to where any blow landed could be fatal. Thus, Raiden was forced to outlast Armstrong's energy in order to match him.
- Armstrong was capable of blowing Metal Gear EXCELSUS to smithereens (182 kilotons)
- In his main boss fight, Armstrong smashes the ground hard enough for magma to erupt from the ground in the form of pillars (6-37 megatons)
- Can throw Sam across a rooftop into a helicopter.
- Can rip out chunks of EXCELSUS out of the ground (See above)
- At his highest, Armstrong can rip out five at once.
- Busts through the remains of Metal Gear EXCELSUS that falls on top of him without difficulty.
- With electromagnetism manipulation, Armstrong can control groups of helicopters and destroy them to gain power.
- In his fight with Raiden, he uses his electromagnetism to tear apart the electronics and absorb the power of Metal Gear EXCELSUS.
Speed
- Can move in tandem with Minuano, dealing crushing blows before he can dodge (See above)
- Able to react faster than Minuano's swordsmanship, with his nanomachines effortlessly blocking each attack. Minuano was forced to use Quickdraw in order to bypass the nanomachines when they were moving, a technique faster than Raiden and his modes.
- Can blitz Raiden before he can react.
- Leaps high into the air, being able to move faster than Bladewolf can throw the Murasama, albeit still missing the blade.
- While losing energy absorbed by his nanomachines, he's able to physically match Raiden blow-for-blow, requiring Raiden to use Blade Mode.
- At the beginning of the fight, his nanomachines are able to move fast enough that they are able to successfully block before Raiden could reach him.
- Raiden has various speed feats from his running speed. including him hopping from missile to missile and moving at speeds before raindrops are able to fall. (See Scaling section)
Durability
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- Effortlessly tanks all of Raiden's blows in quick-succession who physically vibrates his High-Frequency Blade
- His High-Frequency Blade could cut through Metal Gear RAY and EXCELSUS with no difficulty.
- The High-Frequency Blade works on the quantum level, severing apart atoms and molecules at their base by shrinking down electrons, explicitly detailed as being a cutting force working upon that scale. Despite this, not only was Armstrong able to no-sell these, it was to such a degree that Armstrong was described as going against core studies of physics tied to the blade, including the same description of quantum manipulation, when he broke it without difficulty.
- Due to the nature of his nanomachines, Raiden was forced to use the Murasama in order to match them after they were slowly depleting energy.
- This is because the Murasama works as both a regular blade and High-Frequency blade, as it is detailed as mixing both of them with the mechanics of a HF-Blade despite being just as strong as the normal Murasama.
- Because Armstrong's nanomachines were able to block the HF-Blade, it reduced Raiden's sword down to a regular blade which it struggled in. It is noted that a HF-Blade does not follow the normal bases of a traditional katana, with certain swords being useful specifically because they wield the high frequency attributes. Comparably, Sam's sword was such a great work of art because it was both an amazing sword and underwent the HF-Blade treatment, strengthening it far more than the norm, which made it inherently better against Armstrong.
- Despite facing a weapon that was inherently stronger against him, Armstrong was still able to survive continuous attacks from it.
- Effortlessly tanked the explosion of Metal Gear EXCELSUS when punching through it.
- Able to survive blows from Minuano and Raiden even without his nanomachines, and completely parries the blows in question with them.
Funny Valentine
Overall
- Organized the Steel Ball Run race in order to find the rest of the Corpse Parts.
- The greatest American patriot in his entire series... which is surprising.
- Received a 91% approval rating for his presidency, bringing many people into his group in order to achieve his plan of getting the Corpse parts.
- Fought Johnny Joestar, Gyro Zeppeli, Diego Brando, and Hot Pants each individually and simultaneously with his Stand ability.
- Can play the mandolin with his feet. Yeah.
- The only person to discover the truth of the Corpse Part, being a power source which only exists as one in the entire universe.
Strength
- Physically busts down a door without issue.
- Able to one-shot Diego's raptors
- Cleaves Johnny's hand off.
- Able to cut Gyro's chest open (See above)
- Punches Weak-piko into a wall.
- With the power of the Corpse Part, it was able to create a large storm across Kansas (1.19 kilotons)
- The power of the Corpse Part can control the oceans, pulling it closer, as well as the lands and nature itself.
- Because of the Saint's death, the Corpse Parts were the root cause for splitting America into nine pieces through earthquakes and storms. (Possibly 7 teratons)
Speed
- Slit Slow Dancer's throat as Johnny rid him towards Valentine.
- Can react to Johnny's nail bullet
- Able to effortlessly dodge Wekapiko's satellites from Wrecking Ball.
- Although immensely slower, Valentine was able to dodge a blow from Diego in his human form.
- Reacts to Gyro's steel ball accordingly.
- Gyro's steel ball can move in tandem with gunfire and Johnny's nail bullets.
- Was able to use his stand ability various times to dodge attacks from Johnny, Gyro, Hot Pants, Diego, etc. despite a physical speed gap.
Durability
- Survives being slammed into a wall neck-first by Diego.
- Survives his hand being blown apart by Gyro's steel ball near the climax of the Golden Rotation, and earlier in the fight completely shrugs off Gyro's regular steel ball.
- D4C and human Diego are able to trade blows.
- Can slap away Johnny's nail bullet without injury.
Scaling
Senator Armstrong
Raiden
- While missing an arm, Raiden could hold back Outer Haven in Metal Gear Solid 4: GOTP (156.78 tons of TNT)
- Raiden wields the power of electricity which he can use as a means of attacking, of which he can move in tandem with.
- Effortlessly overpowers two Gecko units and swings them around at high speed
- Can dodge Justice's railgun (Mach 230)
- Superior to Solid Snake who...
- Can dodge a railgun shot (Mach 31)
- Fought the Beauty and the Beast Unit
- The members of which can dodge the Solar Gun that shoots sunlight (Lightspeed). Raiden can also keep up with others superior to the unit like Vamp.
- At the beginning of his career he could dodge camera lasers (Relativistic)
- Is comparable to Big Boss who beat Volgin, who's body outputs this much energy.
- Later down in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, wrestles with and swings around a modified Metal Gear RAY with both hands.
- The Metal Gear REX models, who are inherently comparable to the RAY model, can survive the energy output of nuclear warfare as well as the energy required to launch their nukes.
- Additionally, Metal Gear RAY could also dodge a free electron laser from REX. (0.7c to 2.6c)
- Lifts up the Metal Gear EXCELSUS in a similar fashion.
- Raiden is able to move much faster than an onslaught of missiles, hopping between each one (Mach 7885)
- Can move faster than the raindrops in Ripper mode (0.026c)
- Going backwards from this feat with the mode's multipliers puts Blade mode at 0.0052c and Raiden in base at 0.0026c.
- When cutting apart objects, Raiden launches them at an increased speed (3.829 megatons)
- Capable of cutting apart Monsoon's thrown APK moving at sub-relativistic speeds, and surviving it if he misses (66-106 megatons)
- Survived Armstrong nuking Metal Gear EXCELSUS (182 kilotons)
The Winds of Destruction
Minuano
- Fought against a modified Metal Gear RAY.
- With Quick-Draw, he can shoot himself towards Armstrong at an increased speed.
- Can survive blows from Armstrong, while later dominating Raiden in his MGS4 body.
- His cyborg arm is strong enough to actually overpower Raiden.
Sundowner
- Fuckin' invincible!
- Survived a large explosion while at low health in his boss fight
Mistral
- Can no-sell explosions in her face.
- Cuts a large pipe in half, launching herself downwards.
- Punctures a barrel very well. Too well. I hope that doesn't kill her!
Monsoon
- Very strong electrokinesis!! (See above)
- Creates and controls a giant mess of objects, causing it to crash into the battlefield with Monsoon attempting to hit Raiden.
- Lifts a massive obelisk out of the ground and launches it at Raiden with no difficulty.
Bladewolf
- Can effortlessly tear through brick and steel
- Was able to survive a long fall after jumping off a building.
- In this same scene, he effortlessly blitzed Mistral, cutting off her arm and catching her completely off guard.
- Can survive an onslaught of rockets.
- Moves in tandem with base Raiden and likely matches Minuano in speed.
Khamsin
- Khamsin's axe can create a massive crack in the ground as one of his attacks.
- Gets absolutely molly-whopped by Bladewolf (See above)
Funny Valentine
Johnny Joestar
- Tusk 1 was capable of destroying a large boulder when it was first unlocked (918 kilojoules)
- Tusk 2 blows apart a portion of a river bank (0.03 tons of TNT)
- Through sheer force, Tusk 2 could make a torpedo in a lake which moved faster than sound.
- Shoots his fingernail faster than a gun (~Supersonic)
- Johnny's nails outpace sound (Mach 600, 0.005 tons of TNT)
- Johnny's nails outpacing sound in another instance (Mach 351)
- Johnny's shooting is in tandem with Sandman's sound in water (Mach 3)
- In this same scene, Johnny's bullets cross a cornfield in seconds.
- Shatters a brick wall in his way by shooting it
Gyro Zeppeli
- Can bust a door down with a kick (0.26 megajoules)
- Busted down a church door in one kick
- Shatters a rock with one of his Steel Balls
- One-shots Weak-piko and his Wrecking Ball
- By using his balls, he could strengthen Valkyrie enough to shatter a bridge in one blow
- Deflects a bullet and launches it back down (~Supersonic)
Diego Brando
- In his Dino-form, launches Gyro out of a building in one blow
- Completely shrugs off getting hit by Steel Balls
- Dodges Johnny's bullets various times, dodges Wekapiko's bullets, etc.
- However, it should be noted that Diego is fully capable of speedblitzing Funny Valentine, and verbatim states that he is faster.
Hot Pants
- Able to completely halt Gyro's steel balls in momentum with her Stand, which wasn't possible by characters before like Diego or Wekapiko.
- Cuts off Ringo's arm, who can survive being hit by steel balls without too much damage, although they were fatal to his previous scars.
- Able to catch Diego off guard with her spray, able to catch Ringo off guard with her spray, able to match Gyro's steel balls in velocity, etc.
Valentine's Subordinates
- Ringo can dodge gunfire and moves faster than most gunslingers, hence his status
- Ringo blitzes Gyro multiple times before he can throw a steel ball
- Can move in tandem with Hot Pants' Cream Starter.
- Blackmore likely activated his ability in tandem with Mountain Tim's gunfire, allowing him to go intangible before it reached him, although it could've also been off of the previous shots.
- Wekapiko survives an onslaught of attacks from various causes.
- Had also survived being uppercut by D4C.
- Also survived Gyro hitting him really hard with his balls.
- A lot.
- Sandman's stand brings down a barn (2453 kilojoules)
- Oyecomova blows up a building (0.317 tons of TNT)
Weaknesses
Senator Armstrong
Funny Valentine
"Why was Valentine not given scaling to other parts of JOJO's Bizarre Adventure? Isn't Diego Brando from an Alternate Universe the same Stand user as DIO?"
"Are HF-Blades durability negation? How does Armstrong scale physically if they are?"
"Does Armstrong really punch up magma though? What about Sam's fight?"
Verdict
Conclusion
Senator Armstrong
Advantages
- Takes the stat trinity without difficulty.
- Stronger AoE and aura prevents Valentine's short range.
- Potentially resists Valentine's Merger sponge effect.
- Significantly more skilled and threatening in close quarters.
- Has means to completely prevent Valentine from accessing or using his winning moves against him.
- Valentine has no means to kill Armstrong if he cannot completely merge Armstrong with another version of himself
- Valentine's Love Train lacks evidence to prove it can kill Armstrong.
- Simply cannot be overwhelmed by Valentine
- His nanomachines could probably react passively to D4C.
- Stronger support with the Winds of Destruction and military
- By taking out Lucy Steel or whoever wields the Corpse Parts, Valentine loses access to Love Train.
- Surprisingly more versatile in close quarters combat.
- Can tear the president in half.
Disadvantages
- Love Train cannot be bypassed by Armstrong without complicated arguments
- Nonetheless vulnerable to Valentine throwing him in another universe or trapping him even though he can prevent Valentine from doing it physically.
- Valentine's agility and ability to travel through Armstrong if he pins him down makes him a slippery opponent.
- Potentially doesn't resist Valentine's Merger sponge effect, although it is more likely he does.
- Support is much less versatile than Valentine's and has certain abilities that they likely can't bypass easily.
- Can lose energy overtime which will weaken and slow him.
- Despite being more experienced and skill, Valentine is a greater analyst and can quickly understand abilities.
- Isn't the president.
Funny Valentine
Advantages
- On-demand access to his pocket dimension and Armstrong's magma could potentially be used to dimension-hop.
- Love Train prevents Valentine from being touched by Armstrong.
- Could possibly outlast Armstrong's energy, but cannot outlast Armstrong due to nanomachines.
- Lack of electronics prevents Armstrong from on-demand healing and stat-amps.
- Supports have better overall abilities despite lacking in number and overall power.
- Better analysts in combat when need be.
- Filthy Acts an Unreasonable Price. Simply a better economy.
- Can dimension-hop through Armstrong if he gets pinned down...
- Has means to negate Armstrong's durability....
Disadvantages
- ... but he cannot survive a direct blow.
- ... If he could land any blows, which is impossible due to Armstrong's strength, speed, aura, and AoE attacks.
- Instantly killing Valentine before he can use his stand will completely shut him down
- The Corpse Parts can be knocked out of Valentine or whoever wields the power through sheer force, making them difficult to wield in combat.
- Can only attack Armstrong outside of Love Train by leaving it's gap.
- Much, much slower and weaker.
- Cannot overwhelm Armstrong with his Stand ability.
- The anime will come out in ten years.
- (So will the next Metal Gear game to be fair)
Rare hades w. Stand proud, you've cooked.
ReplyDeleteFunny and interesting argument, but we all know that Funny Valentine would win in an actual Death Battle, as you guys are incredibly bad at predicting anything in Death Battle, you cooked something, it wasn't good but it was something
ReplyDeletewhat are you wafflin about bruh
DeleteYou just read it dude, Death Battle is obviously going to scale Diego's The World to Dio's one, trying to deny it is being delusional
DeleteIs it really, though? There are just as valid premises against the argument as you could make in support, and Armstrong would nonetheless win should you scale Valentine in speed... that is, he's still vastly weaker than anything Armstrong throws at him and having no real way to take advantage of his speed granted Armstrong's resistances to his only means of durability negation, means to completely prevent outlasting in a fight, and his massive area of effect.
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